[Vašek]

veerle schreef:

Enkelen zijn gevlucht (Jij ook Vasek ......

Ja ik ook.

Volgens de statistieken zijn er tijdens de kommunistische overheersing (1948 - 1989) naar schatting 400.000 mensen gevlucht.

[Vašek]

cz-huron schreef:

Is het mogelijk om dit te vertalen Vašek ?

Wat bedoel je? Het liedje van Karel Kryl?

[cz-huron]

Vašek, die Tsjechische tekst ... hoewel dat ik hem niet meer terugvind.....

[Vašek]

Die Tsjechisch tekst is een lied van Karel Kryl. Ik ben geen dichter, vertalen is moeilijk. Ik heb wel een engelse vertaling gevonden:

Little Brother, Close the Gate

Little brother, do not cry
those are not ghosts
those are just soldiers
they arrived in square, iron caravans.

With a tear on an eyelid
we watch each other
stay with me, little brother
I'm worried about you
on difficult roads
little brother, put on your shoes.

Ref.: It's raining and it is dark outside
this night will not be short
the wolf hunts for a lamb.
Little brother, did you close the gate?

Little brother, do not cry
do not waste your tears
swallow the angry words
and save your strength.
You mustn't blame me
If we do not finish the journey.

Learn this song,
it is not so difficult
lean against me, little brother
the road is destroyed
we will stumble over rocks
but we cannot go back.

Ref.: It's raining and it is dark outside…

[cz-huron]

Heb je die Tsjechische ook nog??? Kwestie van een klein beetje de taal te leren, hoe moeilijk die ook is.......

[Vašek]

Tsjechische tekst staat bijna bovenaan, ik zie het nog altijd op mijn scherm ....

[ralph]

Wel gek eigenlijk..

Ik was tijdens deze foto 3 jaar..
Nu 37 jaar later wandel ik daar vaak met m'n kinderen, vrouw of m'n vrienden.

(het is overigens in Liberec op de kruising van Benesovo- Namesti en de Prazska ulice)

Nu zit er een modezaak, en ernaast een cd-shop.

Aan de overkant (de rechterkant van het stadhuis) is een monument geplaatst met daarop de namen van mannen en vrouwen die hun verzet tegen de inval niet hebben overleefd.
Hun namen zijn gegraveerd in een soort bronzen rups-gordel van een tank.
Wat mij er wel opvalt, als ik er langsloop, is dat er vrijwel altijd bloemen liggen.

[Vašek]

25.10.2004 - Current Affairs - Martin Mikule
Moscow archives open for Czech historians to search for truth about the 1968 invasion
Czech historians are to be allowed access to much of the Russian archival material that was closed to them up to now. Likely to be of the greatest interest to Czech researchers is documentation connected to the Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, which brought an end to the country's attempt at reforms aimed at bringing "socialism with a human face". Negotiations to secure Czechs' access to Soviet-era archives took years: An agreement was finally reached last week between the chairman of the Czech Senate Petr Pithart and the head of the Russian Parliament's upper chamber Sergey Mironov. Radio Prague's Martin Mikule recently spoke with Senator Pithart and asked him for a behind-the-scenes look at how the deal was reached.

"It was not an easy task. First of all I've had to establish more personal relations with my Russian partner Mr. Sergey Mironov. And than after a year of our contact, in January this year, when the delegation of Senate was invited to Russia, I decided to talk about it just with him, without my delegation - face to face - no interpreters. I suggested that I wouldn't let the media know about our conversation. I didn't want him to have the feeling of being under pressure of media."

What kind of archives are actually going to be open for the Czech researchers? "I doubt that it covers also the KGB archives. Nobody opens the secrete services' files. But it is important for us because all of other archives are now open. The information found could clear first of all our people, our politicians of the time - I mean of 1968-69. But maybe it is also late for any practical consequences of the new relations."

Is the access limited only to a certain sort of documents or will the researchers be allowed to read all the documents in the archives? "I am sure - and it confirms the experience of the our first historian in Moscow - that it regards all documents, except the KGB archives, as I said. But this would be the same in any state in the world."

What do you expect from this? Do you believe that any particular information can be found or do you expect rather specification of already known facts?
"I don't expect any revolutionary discoveries. What is actually also important is to find what did not happen. You may call it 'destroyed hypothesis'. When even part of the archives is closed to public it may harm the soul of the nation. Anybody can spin fantastic constructions that nobody can disprove. So even the finding of what did not happen is important for the mental health of the nation."

Do you expect any further consequences of the findings? Do you believe, for example, that some further accusations of the former communist leaders could be made based on these findings? "This can not be excluded. We have to be prepared for legally relevant information."


Source: Czech Radio 7, Radio Prague

[veerle]

op de belgische tv is er een soort actua-muziek programma "de Pré-historie" 2weken geleden ging het over 1968, en kwam de inval ter sprake. Een toen nog jonge Karel Van Miert was toen ter plaatse. Zijn commentaar gaf weer hoe men er toen hier in het "westen" over dacht: Dit was schokkend en volkomen onnodig. De inval heeft de kloof tussen oost en west alleen maar aangescherpt. Vorige zondag was er dan het jaar 1969, met de verbranding van Jan Palach: ook deze beelden werden dus destijds hier op TV getoond.